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Valerie, Texas | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
09:27 AM

Ride in the Lamborghini.  As fast as you can!  What can I say? I am a Texan, I go for the horse power.  Ride in a red one and get lots of pictures.

Boomstick wordsL Live Free or Die

Gun: Pump action shotgun.  One of the most recognizable sounds in the world.

 

And despite his coy reference to his age, he is NOT turning a half a century old. 
Jason | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
09:34 AM

I have both a Yugo SKS and a Winchester 30-30 and enjoy both weapons.  The SKS has less recoil, is semi-automatic and has an attached 10 round magazine (in VT I have to switch to a 5 round magazine to go hunting).  The 30-30 packs a larger punch, is lever-action, so it helps me live out my cowboy fantasies, and has a six tound magazine (with an additional one in the chamber).  Both are good brush guns, though, with similar ballistics.

If you’re getting an SKS get the Yugo, it a a fold out bayonet.  Not only does it look cool, it look awesomelycool.
the dissident frogman | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
09:50 AM
Comment 2582

Val: indeed, I’ve not reached 50 yet. Don’t know what I’ll do when I’ll get to that venerable age, as a rifle might not be enough - buy a cannon maybe?

Jason: I have many cowboy fantasies as well, but I was under the impression that Winchester closed the shop on their legendary lever-action rifles?

I thought maybe going the Marlin way, as I’ve heard they were good rifles, even though they don’t have the same Far West aura as Winchester. Any happy Marlin owner in the area?
Sarah | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
09:55 AM

tempus omnia revelat 

If you do wind up with wood, I happen to know someone who can get words on there.

Which decade is this?  Certainly this milestone is not the first time there has been a zero with the two digit number?

 
the dissident frogman | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
10:07 AM
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Sarah, am I getting this right? You did the deer scene on the stock? Nice, very nice.

Oh and… It’s the 4th time. There. I said it.
Jim B | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
10:08 AM

How about this beauty in 6.5x55:

http://www.czusa.com/product_detail.php?id=17
Valerie, Texas | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
10:19 AM

DF - When you turn 50 I am hoping you will be in America.  That would be the way to celebrate!

Friends, go to You Tube and enter "Dissident Frogman" and what will appear?  Our French Terorist Mime.  Apparently someone got antsy and hauled Bite the Bullet over to YouTube.  Rack up those viewing numbers people for the Frogman’s birthday! 

 
trainer | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
11:03 AM

I have a Marlin 1894cs in .357 that is a ball to shoot, but not for hunting critters as large as you need to.  I’ve been shooting a Marlin 336 30-30 a lot lately and it would be more to your liking...shells are ejected to the side allowing a scope for old farts...unlike the Winchester.  I also have a Yugo SKS that I customized (read bubba’d), and this is the trunk rifle of choice out west right now.  The SKS has never failed to feed, fire, or fling in thousands of rounds.

Much of course depends on your budget, but for game in Europe, I wouldn’t think you would need much more than a  6.5x55mm Swede.  They can be found in the original Swedish Mauser configuration if you are a purist, or just about any modern rifle manufacturer has a swede.  Ruger makes the Swede in beautiful single shot and bolt action models.

The round is extremely accurate with low recoil, yet has the 100+ year history of military use behind it.

 

I don’t hunt, so my guns tend to be for fun or SHTF.
Sarah | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
11:13 AM

Yes that’s my work, but I think it needs to be appreciated in a cultural context.  I know it’s not a typical thing to do, but for that client, it was just the thing.  I never did that before (on a gunstock) and probably won’t have the chance again.

 
Peter | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
11:32 AM

I turned 50 in April, and my choice was a late-1943 Savage made Enfield No4 MkI*. It was exactly what I wanted, it was in the right color, and it fit. In addition, since the Enfield is .31 caliber, I had to get collets for my case trimmer, a set of .303Brit dies, a proper shellholder for the reloading press, brass...the Birthday Observances, a/k/a buying new stuff, lasted a good six weeks after the Day itself, so it ended up being nearly an entire Birthday Season instead of just a day.
Lady Cincinnatus | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
11:33 AM

A Remington Model 700 is a good sniper rifle.  Hey and there’s nothing wrong with cannon.  I’m exposing my nerdy-history-buff side, but there’s nothing quite like experiencing 4 or 5 cannon going off simulateously on either side of a civil war reenactment battle field.  As for the engraving..."I will not Submit" in both English and Arabic would be my personal choice.
Gabby | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
11:38 AM

Steyr Scout Rifle in .308.  Long eye relief scope.  Bolt action beauty designed with the help of Co. Jeff Cooper--RIP.

Enjoy for the rest of your life, and pass down to future generations!

 

Gabby
NevadaDailySteve | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
11:57 AM

I don’t want to get anyone upset but I prefer the Marlin 30-30 over the Winchester. It’s a personal preference thing, I like the ergonomics better. The Winchester seems to have more recoil than the Marlin, at least to me. I definitely have memories from my childhood of Chuck Connors spinning that modified Winchester (which would probably result in me shooting my foot if I tried it) so there is some cowboy attraction to a lever-action rifle.

I mostly have used my Marlin for target shooting. I prefer shooting a bolt-action or semi-automatic to the lever-action, it’s easier to get another round in the chamber while maintaining a sight picture. I usually use a 8mm Mauser, lots of punch and cheap ammo.

For something completely different you can always go black-powder. Talk about a boomstick! Lots of boom, lots of smoke, and if you’re a good shot, accurate as well. You can do the reproduction route and get a rifle resembling one from the past or you can get a modern black powder rifle, either way they can be awfully fun to shoot.

Whatever you decide you just can’t go wrong with a good boomstick. 
Iwo Gina | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
12:35 PM

DF: I vote for the Remington model 700. (and BTW - turning 50 ain’t that bad)
the dissident frogman | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
12:44 PM
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Iwo: I confess being tempted by a US brand and maker, as all my rifles so far are either Swiss or German (yeah okay, go ahead with the surrender monkey jokes)

And BTW, I’m neither turning 50 or considering it "bad" - Heck, I’d be glad to turn 100, but 40 will do for now, and the quip about the cannon was some kind of an inside joke.
Iwo Gina | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
01:31 PM

DF - I can’t tell you how relieved I am to know that I’m only old enough to be your older sister, and not old enough to be your mother! (now that wouldbe depressing!) But don’t let my decade up on you fool you - I can recognize an inside joke when I hear one, sonny!
SisterToldjah | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
01:57 PM

Definitely go for the Lamborghini ride, DF, especially if it’s at a race track!  Several years ago, I was at a party at Lowe’s Motor Speedway (when it was still called "Charlotte Motor Speedway" - I think) for the promotion of a CD of NASCAR tunes from different country artists (I was an intern for Sony music at the time) and was given the opportunity  to go around the track in the pace car.  Now, I wasn’t driving it, because they wouldn’t let me, but let’s just say the driver was going wayyyy over what he would be allowed to do on the open road ;)  He went around the track several times. It was so freaking exhilarating! I loved it and wished they would have let me behind the wheel. 

The Speedway is on my route to work, so everytime they do a race there - big or small - you can sometimes drive by it in the afternoons and hear the cars out there practicing.  They sound so powerful :)  And I’ve gone to a couple of NASCAR qualifying events, which are less crowded than an actual NASCAR race, and you can get a better seat to watch the action as the drivers fly around the track.  It’s awesome.  I would love to own a fast car, or fast motorcycle one day - maybe when I turn 40, that’s what I’ll do ;)

So yes, DF, definitely do the Lamborghini ride, and try your hand at taming one of those beautiful cars.  There’s something to be said for having all that power and speed in your hands on an open track!  I really think you would like it.

As far as the gun recommendation, I don’t know much about guns, but you did say you were looking for engraving ideas for the rifle you do get, and I have a couple for you.  If you display the rifle anywhere near the entrance to your house, how about  "Socialists Not Welcomed" or "Socialist Deterrent"?   That way, if a Socialist ever does knock at your door and demand you stop being a dissident, they won’t have to look far to know you mean business ;) 
SisterToldjah | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
02:00 PM

Iwo wrote:


DF - I can’t tell you how relieved I am to know that I’m only old enough to be your older sister, and not old enough to be your mother!


No way! From your avatar I would have guessed mid 30’s - tops.  Start passing along those beauty secrets, please - the big 4-0 is creeping up on me, too, but I’ve still got a fewmore years to go :)
AllenInWV | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
02:04 PM

Not sure what your budget is DS, but I think for a traditional bolt action, I’d try out that Tikka T3 Hunter. It looks good and, at least in this part of the world, it’s uncommon. I’ve heard good things about it as well. I’m afraid I am not much of a rifle guy outside of the AR family. Now if an AR interests you, you can build virtually any type of rifle you want off of it, including something to hunt with in the dense forest.
Valerie, Texas | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
02:57 PM

IwoGina -

Glad to see you here, is your son better?

BTW, I am only ten years older than sonny boy.

"They got to be OLD men by being this way!" young gun slinger to fellow outlaw after both being shot down by elderly Texas lawmen in Larry McMurtry’s The Streets of Larado.  

That’s what I’m going for in my declining years.

 
Iwo Gina | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
03:15 PM

Valerie: My youngest is my only daughter, and she’s currently serving overseas in England. She’s doing better, thanks for the concern. Females in my family are tough little cookies (my mom scares my dad to pieces! but he tells me that living with her is a thrill a minute! ;)
Valerie, Texas | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
03:20 PM

My apologies Gina, now that I recall, you did say "youngest child" and I made an assumption.  Which I should not have.  Glad to know the latest in tough cookies is doing better! 

 
the dissident frogman | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
03:48 PM
Comment 2603

Lots of interesting advices from all - thanks a lot, and please, keep them coming.

I’m not sure the SKS would be allowed for hunting in France. French gun laws are particularly stupid and rarely make sense — and considering that gun laws are by definition stupid and senseless, that’s saying a lot.

Gabby: I’ve read about the Scout in Col. Cooper’s Art of the Rifle, and I’d agree that with such credentials, this gun has a lot to say about itself.

NevadaDailySteve: thanks for the owner’s review on the Marlin. Now black powder is something I’m looking into as well, even though I don’t think it’s allowed for hunting here. On the bright side, muzzleloaders are still "unregulated", and can be bought without going through heavy administrative hassle, like the rest (rimfire or centerfire, no matter the caliber) — and KL shares her enthusiasm for reenactements in a most inspiring way.

Now the question would be either the modern Remington Genesis, or a Kentucky rifle replica…

Iwo: I second Sister Toldjah on the guessing question: no way you can be my older  sister.

Sis’: C’mon, you don’t need any further beauty secret.

AllenInWV: the T3 was actually my second choice when I looked for my current hunting rifle - I heard many good things about the Tikka indeed, but in the end I went for the Sig-Sauer SHR 970.


BTW, I am only ten years older than sonny boy.


Indeed, Val is hardly older than me — as a matter of fact, I looked upon you as my (slightly) older sister Val, up to the day you toyed with the idea of adopting me :p


Glad to see you here, is your son better?


See? Val’s maternal instinct is bigger than her heart, which is itself bigger than Texas.


And I’ve gone to a couple of NASCAR qualifying events, which are less crowded than an actual NASCAR race, and you can get a better seat to watch the action as the drivers fly around the track. It’s awesome. I would love to own a fast car, or fast motorcycle one day


A girl after my own heart!
Valerie, Texas | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
05:21 PM

Frogman,

If you check the archives of Dacha 1.0 I offered up the win-win solution to ALL the readers back then.  The advantages that made it an attractive arrangement back then still stand.  Shawll I recount them?

As I recall one in particular put a burr under your saddle.  Guess it’s been itchin’ all these years.  LOL!
Civis Proeliator | 2 years, 6 months ago
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05:25 PM

As a former skydiver (biased opinion alert!), I’d say make the jump. You can always do the Lambo ride on an "older" date. And spring for a video of the jump. You’ll not regret it.

As far as the rifle suggestion, you can’t go wrong with a .30-30 in the conditions you mentioned and I’d choose Marlin if it were me. Or maybe one of the lever action guide rifles in .50 Alaskan depending on your def of "big game".

Hope you have a Happy BDay no matter what the choice!
the dissident frogman | 2 years, 6 months ago
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05:42 PM
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Valerie:


I offered up the win-win solution to ALL the readers back then.


 Ah! I rest my case, you uber-Mom you.


Civis Proeliator: This sounds like the practical way to go indeed, particularly when one thinks that by the time I get to the race track option, there will probably be a whole new range of mean machines to pick.


Not sure about the DVD though. I mean, is there any value in a few minutes sequence showing mostly yours truly wetting his jump suit and frantically calling his Mom while falling down?


And strike 2 for the Marlin,


Hope you have a Happy BDay no matter what the choice!


Thanks, not matter the choice I’m sure I’ll enjoy it (even if I need a change of clothes in the end)
SisterToldjah | 2 years, 6 months ago
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05:56 PM

This sounds like the practical way to go indeed, particularly when one thinks that by the time I get to the race track option, there will probably be a whole new range of mean machines to pick.


DF - why not do both? Skydiving one day and Lamborghini the next? The best of both worlds :)


You still up, ami? It’s a late hour in France, while the night is still young here in the US.  Hey, maybe we can hold an impromptu bday for you in this thread this evening?  I’ll get it started with the song:


"Happy Birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday, dear DF, happy birthday to you!"


And many more ...


(searches around for the party hats)
Valerie, Texas | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
05:59 PM

Gee, Uber Brat, who could have guessed pointing out the benefits to adopting you were:

Already gone through puberty, college is over and paid for, already knows how to drive, and comes potty trained

would have rankled you all these years?  I thought I was just doing you and the world a service. 
SisterToldjah | 2 years, 6 months ago
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06:11 PM

LOL Valerie - I think Texas would be a perfect fit for DF, as  he clearly has a wild cowboy heart.  I can just imagine the cowboy hat, boots ... I wonder how one would sound saying "howdy" with a French accent? ;)
the dissident frogman | 2 years, 6 months ago
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06:18 PM
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Sis’:


DF - why not do both? Skydiving one day and Lamborghini the next? The best of both worlds :)


Unfortunately, my accountant is not as accommodating as you are…


You still up, ami? It’s a late hour in France, while the night is still young here in the US. Hey, maybe we can hold an impromptu bday for you in this thread this evening? I’ll get it started with the song


Indeed, it’s getting well advanced in the night. I’m still up because I’m late in my email correspondence (wink, wink, nod, nod), but you on the other hand are quite early for my birthday party (I’m still in my thirties if only for a little while, so let’s just not rush things thank.you.very.much.)


Valerie:


Already gone through puberty, college is over and paid for, already knows how to drive, and comes potty trained


Right. First, opinions vary as to the puberty issue. Some people would argue that I can sometimes act as if it wasn’t totally behind me or at the very least not that far behind. Even some who have not seen the mime thing.


I’m potty trained though. Well, as best as we French can be.


Next, I just knew it was a bad idea to import the old content and improve the search engine. Big, big, big mistake.


I wonder how one would sound saying “howdy” with a French accent? ;)


One would sound very briefly I presume. Just enough time for the real cowboys around to hear you, and take some measures.
Gozer the Carpathian | 2 years, 6 months ago
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06:30 PM

Howdy Frogman!  I find it fitting my first post would be about guns. :)

Well how about something a bit odd for your arsenal?  I personally want one of these but as Carbines like this are illegal in California I’m SOL.  I’m talking abaout the Cx4 Storm from Beretta. www.berettausa.com/product/rifles/series_page.cfm

It’s an odd duck to be sure, but I think it’s different enough from everything else you have to deserve a look.  :D

 

Oh, and jump out of the Airplane.  I think that’d be more memorable.

 
the dissident frogman | 2 years, 6 months ago
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Hey Gozer,

Fitting it is indeed, and welcome aboard.

The Beretta carbine is interesting - I’m just not sure about bringing it along on a wild boar hunt. Also the guys I hunt with are rather old fashioned, and if I come around with such a futuristic looking weapon, they’ll probably shoot me to boot. Still, thanks for the advice.

Oh, and you have some great stuff at gozer.com .
SisterToldjah | 2 years, 6 months ago
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06:59 PM

Indeed, it’s getting well advanced in the night. I’m still up because I’m late in my email correspondence (wink, wink, nod, nod), but you on the other hand are quite early for my birthday party (I’m still in my thirties if only for a little while, so let’s just not rush things thank.you.very.much.)


Ok ... I shall put the party hats away for now, then  - I will bring them back out when you give the word :)


Now, who here can bake a good cake? We’ll need someone who can bake one big enough to fit all those candles on it ... (yeah, like I should be talking about that, when I’m only a few years away from it myself! LOL)  ;) 
hurricane567 | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
07:54 PM

Levers? Pumps? BOLT ACTION? Heh, go for the gusto, what’s legal in France?

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/

 

 
tinga-tinga | 2 years, 6 months ago
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08:08 PM

Had my eye on a Marlin Guide gun for a while, lever-action.  Just window-shopping.  A story diversion: an Alaskan missionary pilot said his plane is like his pick-up truck - two seats in the front and all the junk in the back.  In case of forced landings, they are REQUIRED to carry firearms (does that make you feel all warm and fluffy inside to hear that?)  But, he had a problem - his plane is always too stuffed to manage even a rifle in there.  He was given a lot of hand gun advice, so he took one out and landed himself on a little grizzly-infested island, with a friend for backup - armed back-up.  They didn’t have to wait long.   They were charged.  He shook his head and said, the only reason that bear went down - twenty feet from him was that his 5th shot was lucky and severed the spine.   That was the story for the bear skin he was displaying.  Now, drat, I can’t remember what handgun he did settle on.  His website mentioned he had to shoot a moose that burst thru his living room window, and some predator animal that chased his dog thru the front door and into the house as he was TRYING to have his morning coffee.  SO, my suggestion is you forget the parachutes and go to Alaska and ask this colorful fellow which handgun he prefers to pack for bush piloting to dump off missionaries into remote wilderness indigenous Indian churches. 
tinga-tinga | 2 years, 6 months ago
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08:12 PM

Yikes! All that and I forgot to say, "HAPPY BIRTHDAY!"

And many more!

 
bonmotdot | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/14 2007
11:43 PM

Oh, happy birthday, FrenchFroggy!!!  Yeeeehah!  (From deep in the heart of Texas.)

Here, let me give you a kiss.  The French way, no?  Kiss on right cheek.  Kiss on left cheek.  Kiss on right cheek again.  Did I do that right?

And for your birthday present:  http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/22Rifle/Golden39A.aspx

I PROMISE you that this will bring down a 400-lb Russian boar.  Money back guarantee.  And if you are a bad shot, which I doubt, I can send you a stuffed Russian boar head that you can hang on YOUR wall.

 

 

 

 

 

 
bonmotdot | 2 years, 6 months ago
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11:45 PM

Oh, I forgot…

You need to inscribe on the rifle...  "The only way you’ll take this away is if you pry it out of my cold, dead hands."
B-52 GUNNER | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/15 2007
01:18 AM

Hello,

This being my first post I would like to let you know that I thought Cartridge vs. Bullet was quite funny and I e-mailed the youtube link to all my friends.

I’m fond of lever actions and feel that since Winchester is no more and what ever Winchester rifles that are out there are going to be expensive the next best thing is a Uberti 1873.

www.uberti.com/firearms/1873Rifle.tpl

As for an inscription it would have to be "Shooty, No Shooty"

Happy Birthday! 

 

Scot
Grimmy | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/15 2007
04:54 AM

7mm rem mag is a very good, all round choice.

The cartriges tend to be more generally avaialable than other power loads. There is a nice mix of factory loads available in different bullet weights for either long range shoots or closer ranged bush hunting. The trajectory is nice and flat for longer range shoots with lighter weight bullets, and has enough power to punch through any large game with the heavier bullet weights.

The bullet is also not so large that it tears up game unnecessarily.

Remington 700 is the rifle of choice, imho. You can also get multiple stocks for the rifle. A composite for cold/wet weather hunts and wood for good weather/ looks.

The 7mm rem mag works very well for game from the boar/deer range and up through the elk/moose/bear levels.

 

 
Grimmy | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/15 2007
04:57 AM

Inscription submission:

"Well, Hello!"

or

"I See You!"
canker | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/15 2007
06:44 AM

W E Henley’s Invicta has always inspired me:

Out of the night that covers me,

Black as the pit from pole to pole,

I thank whatever gods may be

For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance,

I have not winced nor cried aloud:

Under the bludgeonings of chance

My head is bloody, but unbowed.

It matters not how strait the gate,

How charged with punishments the scroll,

I am the master of my fate;

I am the captain of my soul.

 

Of course it’s far too long, but how about the last two lines as an inscription? Or, if you’re feeling particularly antsy, what about `My head is bloody, but unbowed’?

 

Whatever you decide, have a very happy birthday!
Blinky | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/15 2007
07:24 AM

Looks like there is some good info here. If you can’t get an SKS, I like the 700 also.

As far as getting it engraved, go with an old classic : ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

 

 
Iwo Gina | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/15 2007
09:29 AM

Why not borrow another phrase from the Army of Darkness? After all, it is  a "Boomstick" you’re getting.

How about:

"Good… Bad… I’m the guy with the gun."

or:

"Hail to the king, baby."

or:

"Klatu Verata Nicto"

or my personal favorit:

"Oooh! That’s gotta hurt!"
Opus Rex | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/15 2007
11:41 AM

Happy birthday, DF! Enjoy the jump!

 

Here is a selection of some rifles I use professionally. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn13-e.htm
B-52 GUNNER | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/15 2007
12:58 PM

How about a little latin:

Si vis pacem, para bellum
Grimmy | 2 years, 6 months ago
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06:02 PM

‘Para bellum’ sounds like it should mean ‘two southern ladies’

Para belli would be two southern chicks in a really bad mood.

 

If you want a kind of inscription that’s a bit more than just a tag line, how about:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Or, you could shorten it to something like: With such as this, men oppose tyranny.
Gozer the Carpathian | 2 years, 6 months ago
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06:14 PM

*Chuckles*

True enough Frogman.  It is so futurisitic looking they’re actually using modified versions of it for the new Battlestar Galactica TV show.  So I can see how you might not want to use it.  Still isn’t a .45 enough to take down wild bore at Carbine ranges?  

Oh, and thanks for the compliment on my site.  I thought gozers.com was easier for folks to spell than gozerthecarpathian.com  :D
B-52 GUNNER | 2 years, 6 months ago
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11:23 PM

 

Si vis pacem, para bellum translated means:

"If you seek peace, prepare for war".

I’ve always have been fond of this phrase.
Papa Ray | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
12:19 AM

Well, I see I’m late to the party again...dang

Anyway, happy birthday and jumping from that airplane sounds the best to me. I did it one time on a dare back long ago. It was a blast.

Now to your other question. Go here: http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/show_inventory.php?catID=6&subcatID=55 and look around.

I have one of the Legendary Lawmen .30-30 caliber. I paid a little less as you might guess, in 1978. It is a sure shot, really nice weapon. It feels like it was built for me. I have put thousands of rounds thru her without a problem or complaint.

I bet somewhere on that webpage is one that will fit you to a t.

Papa Ray
Mike H. | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
01:53 AM

Marlin 336C 30-30.

 

Inscription either, ‘From the time of upheaval’ or,

 

‘When you’re up to your ass in alligators, it’s hard to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp.’
floridasuzie | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
02:37 AM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DF!!!

I’m just as relieved as the other ladies to find out we’re not old enough to be your older sister, aunt, or mother. It feels much better being your peer :)  I hated turning 40 too, but much to my surprise, the Forties are Fun!

I vote for skydiving, but then I’m partial as that has been one of my lifelong dreams, too. In fact, a few years ago my sons were going to treat me to a skydiving lesson for Mother’s Day but alas I broke my foot a couple weeks before and wasn’t able to, blast-it-all. If you do decide on skydiving, you might first want to see if you can buddy-jump with a female instructor unless you wouldn’t find it uncomfortable "hugging & holding" another man through the sky ;)

My sons had a mad passion for Lamborghinis - my oldest son still does - and I’m sure if my youngest son had lived longer he would still love them, too. (BTW, did you get the photo of him that I sent to you? That’s my fave pic of him. He was so beautiful, was he not? :) ) I know my sons would have hopped in a Lamborghini in a heartbeat had they ever got the chance, birthday or any day.

Gun - I could have sworn you said big game such as bear? I re-read all of your posts and couldn’t find anything but wild boar. Those suckers are some mean sons of a gun but trying to take out a bear with a gun before it takes you out is not something I’d want to think about. They are VERY hard to kill. Everyone’s already made excellent suggestions but here’s some more (pardon if someone has mentioned any of these)   .280 Remington   .308 Win                30-06 Springfield   .35 Remington    An inscription suitable both for hunting as well as defending yourself against terrorists and other scum:  FEAR THE FROGMAN

Now for the Par-Tay Celebration...I shall provide a cake in the shape of the gun of your choice. The cake batter will include gunpowder, rum, and distilled sugar cane (Blackbeard’s favorite drink, ‘Kill Devil’). For entertainment, some most excellent comedians - the awesome Asian Southern comedian (he’s from Tennessee with more of a Southern accent than even I have) Henry Cho; my fellow-Floridian, Dave Barry; Craig Ferguson, who desperately loves the USA and wants to get his citizenship ASAP (plus the guy is a great dancer and just too much fun). Heck, I want these guys at my birthday party. Y’all don’t tell anybody but if I weren’t already married, I’d marry Craig Ferguson so he could get his American citizenship (well anyway, that would be my way of convincing him to marry me ).

Canker,   I love the poem, INVICTA. It’s definitely a keeper, I’m going to add it to my poetry folder.

Suzie
JoeA | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
09:25 AM

The 6.5 that Jim B suggested looks great.  I have an old 6.5 Swedish Husqvarna that is a terrific flat shooting rifle.  Mine’s an old inexpensive military model, so not what you’re looking for to mark this milestone in your life, but the 6.5 swede is a great all purpose choice. 

If you’re considering a lever action with some punch, consider a Henry Golden Boy in .44 magnum.  Classic lever action, brass receiver, octagonal barrel (I think), familiar but also different because most people think Winchester or Marlin when they think lever action.  In Indiana we can hunt deer with pistol, shotgun or muzzle loader, but not with rifle.  The legislature is considering allowing rifles chambered for pistol cartridges, though, and when they do the Henry will be my choice.
JoeA | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
09:34 AM

I checked on www.henryrepeating.com and the .44 lever action is the Big Boy, not the Golden Boy (small caliber).  $1895 for deluxe engraved, $879.  Take a look at

http://www.henryrepeating.com/h006dd_bigboyengraved.cfm

 
BeelzebuDashell | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
10:06 AM

If I may so bold Mr. Frogman wants a big Boomstick for the outdoors so I’d recommend the Alaska CoPilot take down rifle from Wild West Guns. Shoots up to a .50 caliber bullet at 2050 fps for 4200 foot pounds of energy and it can be taken down for easy carry.

 

 
Grimmy | 2 years, 6 months ago
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12:18 PM

To B-52 Gunner:

"Si vis pacem, para bellum translated means:

"If you seek peace, prepare for war".

I’ve always have been fond of this phrase. "

I do agree with you. Good phrase and time honored reality in meaning. I did not intend to sound mocking of the phrase. I do apologize to you if I came across that way.
tinga-tinga | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
01:25 PM

Bears?  Who mentioned bears?  In Western Europe?  Didn’t the last two bears that were released in an attempt to repopulate the European "continent" get "theirs" just this past year after they’d munched their way through several dozen farms on their paths northward?

It’s pathetic to see how self-righteous the Euros can be about the environment.  We’ve got bears sleeping on our property, got people around here who had to build a stockcade around their house - one city-slicker fellow  who thought the 500 lb forest thugs were cute had the siding peeled off his weekend double-wide after he failed to put out his usual stale donuts for the critters. (wiser neighbors turned him in as a public nuisance for feeding the bears). Two miles from here, a guy woke up one fine morning to find twelve bears languidly stretched out on his lawn and deck.   Europeans couldn’t scare up a bear in their woods if they tried - and when they got one, artificially introduced, they had to shoot it.   WHen Euros talk about preserving the environment, put fingers in ears and go "hmmm hmmm.  I’m not listening!"   Course, the Frogman is not to be counted in that group, being made of sterner and more practical stuff.
floridasuzie | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
02:20 PM

>Bears?  Who mentioned bears?  In Western Europe?  Didn’t the last two bears that were released in an attempt to repopulate the European "continent" get "theirs" just this past year after they’d munched their way through several dozen farms on their paths northward?<

Tinga, Err...How embarrassing! I was the dummy who mentioned bears, my bad. I didn’t realize there are no "French" bears, heh. Frankly I’m totally ignorant on the whole French big-game & rifle topic, so I’ll hush up like I should have done in the first place :)

Suzie
B-52 GUNNER | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
04:43 PM

Grimmy,

 

None taken.

I just wanted to add what the phrase said when translated.

I forgot to add the translation in my original post and I didn’t think I came across as being upset.

Scot

 

PS. Sorry for Highjacking the thread.

Back to the topic at hand.
Grimmy | 2 years, 6 months ago
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09/16 2007
07:16 PM

B-52:

You didn’t come across upset at all, I just realize I can sound like a jerk sometimes when I’m trying to be humorous.

No apology from me for hijacking...that’s what threads are for :)

Back on topic for a sec…

How about Bane of Tyranny! Or Tyrants’ Bane!
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