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Comments | Commentaires

tinga-tinga | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/16 2007
07:19 PM

hehehehe. floridasuzie.  Of course there USED to be bears in W. Europe, and the Wisant and all sorts of massive critters ... but the Europeans ate them all.  When the Euro elites  start actin’ all superior, our DUTY is to remind them of their lack-luster conservationism while American backyards  crawl with big game. (:-D). 
Flintloque | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/16 2007
07:49 PM

As a certified gun nut, I offer my NEXT project for what it’s worth.   I am getting a nice Mosin-Nagant rebuild with the octagonal receiver and the laminated wood stock.  These are factory rebuilds with new barrels.  I am adding a scope mount that hangs from the left side and takes all of the modern PSOP Russian scopes.  I am pretty sure I will get the 6X 42MM sniper scope.  I have a longer, bent bolt body to clear the scope as the stock bolt will not.

This will make up a nice, modernized Sniper Rifle.  The 7.62 X 54 will do fine for anything you want to hunt.  If the thing would be a bit too long in the brush, you could use the carbine M44 version instead and get a shorter rifle out of it.

Personally, I have regressed to hunting with 42" barrelled .54  and .50 flintlocks!  Can you get black powder?  That would be even better, if you could get it.
2hotel9 | 1 year, 3 months ago
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In: Western Pennsylvania
09/16 2007
08:21 PM

DAMN!!!!!  My bloglines feed has been buggy lately, didn’t see this till this evening. We done talked guns a bit, Froggy, and I will reiterate, I am a .30 man.  My main hunting rifle is a Short Magazine Lee-Enfield, chambered in the venerable .303 British cartridge. Hell, I have 4 of them, and I likes my furniture. Full military stock is the way to go. The cut down stocks never shoot well unless you are having the bed glassed&leveled professionally, and for brush you can not beat it. Use the damn thing as a club, buff the scratchs out of the wood and give it a linseed oil rub down and you are ready for inspection. Getting a bit hard to find a wide variety of loads, though you being near the source you can special order from Sellier&Bellot, one of my favorite hard rice dealers, and there is a company in Serbia named PRVI Partizan that carries 125gr through 184gr Softpoint jacketed that shoot very well. Threw about 20 125s into the wetsand barrel and dug them out, very nice expansion. Spread to 3/4 inch and didn’t frag much. Also, PMP out of South Afrika still moves .303. I just picked up a box of  174gr SP to try out.

 

OK, I will get down off my ammo crate now with an admonishment. If you are looking at SMLEs look at a lot of them. And don’t be shy! Drop the mag and pull the bolt. Eyeball the barrel with a good light, put it back together and shake hell out of it. It rattles? Back in the stack. There are many in excellent, never issued condition, though they are quite often heavily coated in cosmolin or laquer. Got to look for that gem in the rough.
B-52 GUNNER | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/16 2007
09:12 PM

I’m a Smelly Shooter as well and would have to say the one I have shoots very well.

.303 British will kick the crap out of your shoulder after a while.

I spent 5 hours in shooting 20 rounds through it last week and was asking myself if I really want to shoot it the last 3 rounds.

It’s the only bolt action I have and after seeing Cartridge vs. Bullet I tried to catch the ejected brass but unfortunately it ejects forward not back. :(

Here’s a photo the best group of 5 from 50 yards (45.72 meters for those across the pond.)

5 rounds in 2 inches (5.08 centimeters)

img214.imageshack.us/img214/6720/0901071610ns5.jpg

 

 
Hardtack | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/17 2007
04:45 AM

Well, as you can obivously see, when you ask for suggestions of what rifle to buy, you get a wide selection to choose from. 

I can still remember my first deer rifle.  It was a 7 mm Mausuer (7 X 57 to be correct).  It was a very nice rifle, with an extremely strong action.  Regret to this day selling it.   I also enjoyed a 44 Magnum lever action.  Great brush/deer rifle, but here in the Ozarks  you don’t get that long distance shot.   Of course, if you want that long distance shot, maybe a Barrett would work. 

Much depends on what you are planning to hunt.  Get one that feels right for you; that you are comfortable in shooting.   I would probably look at either a 222 or maybe a 270.   Look at Ruger, I love their #1 rifles. 

 
2hotel9 | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/17 2007
06:27 AM

Bravo 52, 5 hours for 20 rds? Were you having to do tool adjusts on the sights?  And as Sarge so politely screamed way back when, keep it tight&right and recoil ain’t nothing but a thang. Seriously, you have a good point. Without regular sessions at the range a .303 does got a bit-o-kick, as do any of the large bore calibers.

I have one SMLE with a sporterized stock, someone did a real hatchet job on it. Took several weeks and 300 rds to finally settle it down. Ended up using a piece of stainless steel strap and binding the barrel to the forearm. Still kicks like hell, since they had reduced the weight by half. It is a WWI issue Mk III and that forward rear sight also takes a bit of getting used to, most shooters under the age of 40 are used to rear sights being placed at the rear of the frame, so it is fun to watch people shooting Choppy for the first time.

 I will try to post a couple of pics of my darlin’s.
HeckBoy | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/17 2007
12:49 PM

I don’t claim to know much about rifles but I’ve had the Browning 300 SWM recommended to me for an elk hunt I’m considering.  It’s not heavy and packs a big punch.

I’d take the Lambo ride!  Happy Birthday!
SisterToldjah | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/17 2007
01:33 PM

I’d take the Lambo ride!


Yay! Another vote for the Lambo :)


To those of you who have skydived, what was the feeling like when you did it?  Did you feel like you were falling or was it more like floating?  
2hotel9 | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/17 2007
02:35 PM

Go out the door. Don’t ask what other people felt. Just  do it, then we can talk. It will change your life, brother. And be thankful you ain’t got to jump with a load on and the Sun just dropping below the horizon. That was always less than entertaining.

 

And how do I place images into comment threads? Being the low-tech, map&compass, .30 RedLeg grunt that I am I can’t figure it out.
Iwo Gina | 1 year, 3 months ago
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In: Columbia, Maryland
09/17 2007
03:48 PM

Hey DF: Here’s another PIG to add to my growing collection:

www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Hunting-Guides/dp/1596985216

Now the question is, do YOUhave this one yet?
2hotel9 | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/17 2007
05:56 PM

Iwo! Sorry, did not realise till just now it was you asking about how it feels, not the B’day Frog. Never tell the intended victim how terrifying stepping through that door the first time is. OR, regale them with tales of horror and mutilation. Its a psychological thing, well outside my tactical sphere of influence. I was raised in the hard school, you can not do a thing because of fear. Fear is just the gravy over top.
Iwo Gina | 1 year, 3 months ago
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In: Columbia, Maryland
09/17 2007
06:20 PM

Ummm..... No, Hotel, it wasn’t me who asked how it feels - it was Sister Toldja… but thanks for mistaking me for such a gorgeous creature as her :D. That’s the nicest compliment I’ve received in a long  time!

To let you in on a little secret - it’s always been one of my dreams to sky dive… another is to take flying lessons, but not to learn to fly a plane - I’ve always wanted to fly a chopper! I’ll do it one day - maybe on my 55th.
TBinSTL | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/17 2007
06:34 PM

I know I’m a little late to the discussion but I would drop in my favorite "dream gun" site here. Beautiful, functional and loaded with meaning. Power? Yeah, plenty.  www.shilohrifle.com/ . The "soundtrack" for the site is one of the only ones that I don’t turn off(they usually annoy the heck out of me).

Happy birthday, and I wish you many years of happy hunting, whatever the game.
2hotel9 | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/17 2007
08:05 PM

Iwo, Sis, my apologies.  I been responding to comment threads from bloglines feed, and it only shows the new comment, not who it is from. And multiple threads from multiple directions don’t help. A bit less than satisfied with bloglines.
Grimmy | 1 year, 3 months ago
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In: Where I'm at.
09/18 2007
12:16 AM

And now, for something completely different:

http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm This site has the full monty. Not only does it provide useful hunting tips and methods of camouflage, but also a complete "how to" program for a build it yourself.

Then there’s this, the American Extreme:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9s6_vufc1ns

 

Happy Birthday! 

 
B-52 GUNNER | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/18 2007
01:33 AM

2hotel9,

I did take my Ruger P-85 9mm with me that day but most of the time was spent shooting the Lithgow.

I would take the target out to the trap and once I returned to the bench I would sit for a minute to allow myself to be at rest.

I would fire off a round and look where it hit the paper through my binoculars.

Then I would wait a couple minutes between shots to allow heat to dissipate from the barrel.

I would shoot only 5 round groups and then I would have to wait for the other people at the range to call a cease fire where I would change the target out.

Around shot 15 I was starting to get a little soar so I took a little longer on the last 5.

I also spent a little while showing this guy who was shooting a AR-15 chambered in .308 how to use his weapon.

He was shooting at 2 targets and said that he didn’t think he was hitting the paper.

I looked and he was grouping really tight on the left target and when I told him he said he was shooting at the target on the right.

After I told him how to sight in his scope he loaded a new magazine he couldn’t get the bolt to return so I had to show him how if you depress the button on the left side of the rifle the bolt would fall forward.

He bought a deadly weapon and didn’t even read the manual.

I told him to go home and read the manual and disassemble and reassemble the rifle until he didn’t need the book anymore.

Get to know your weapon inside and out. 

Scot
2hotel9 | 1 year, 3 months ago
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In: Western Pennsylvania
09/18 2007
06:43 AM

Scot, I was being facetious. When I am working the long range lane I take forever. And yes, it is scary the number of people swinging weapons around with no clear knowledge of what they are doing. I am lucky as far as ranges go, I can shoot at several and they are rural and usually empty, unless we are doing a large group shoot. Then I get little trigger time, I am usually the HNIC and safety officer. Again, volunteering raises its ugly head and bites me on the ass.

Still can’t post a pic, I are computer illiterate.

 
2hotel9 | 1 year, 3 months ago
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In: Western Pennsylvania
09/18 2007
06:48 AM

That is pretty cool, grimmy.  Once killed 3 deer with a claymore, though there was not a whole lot left of them.
Sarah | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/18 2007
06:57 AM

For anyone considering skydiving… who fancies some sort of flying experience- I invite you to mosey over to youtube and run a little search for "Jetman"  the video you will find is one of the most awe inspiring scenes- and the fact that it’s done in craggy Alps makes the footage all the more dizzying spectacular. (Sorry for the threadjack DF)
Grimmy | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/18 2007
07:25 AM

2hotel9:

Claymore hunting? That sounds funner than fishing with hand grenades!

So, DF, which did ya pick? The car of the chute? Curious minds want to know.

And on the gun stuff, get em all. That’s always the best option. That way, you’re never disappointed.

 
Civis Proeliator | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/19 2007
10:04 AM

"To those of you who have skydived, what was the feeling like when you did it?  Did you feel like you were falling or was it more like floating?"

Sister...it’s hard to describe the free fall sensation. Don’t know if you can compare it to either though "floating" would be a better description. You leave the aircraft (using the Cessna 182 as an example, other aircraft vary) at somewhere around 75 knots...approx. 86 mph...so you won’t get the roller coaster, stomach-in-your-throat sensation as you build to terminal velocity which is about 120 mph.
tinga-tinga | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/19 2007
01:20 PM

Comment on dit "ARRG" et "AVAST" en francais?   C’est le 19 septembre, bien sur.
floridasuzie | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/19 2007
01:23 PM

Changing my previous inscription suggestion a little:

Army of The Me - Fear The Frogman

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the dissident frogman | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/19 2007
05:20 PM
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Right, I didn’t dare interrupting and just enjoyed reading your comments. I want to thank you all for a great conversation, and a lot of great advice.

But enough violin.

Lots of great, inspiring or amusing quotes. I’m surprised however that none of you honored readers and nonetheless friends mentioned King Leonidas’ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ… It’s the ultimate cry of defiance against any enemy, foreign or domestic, and it’s short enough.

I think I’ll go for the Marlin 336C in 30-30 (or maybe the stainless one, the 336SS, not sure) as roughly half of you suggested. The Remington 700 is the stuff of legend, but it would be a crime to mount a cheap scope on such a beauty, and a Leupold or a Swarovsky can cost at least twice the price of the rifle - that’s a bit steep for me at the moment. Plus, as far as bolt action goes, I’m really happy with my Sig-Sauer, and I fancy something different, just for a change.

The Marlin will come at some €800, and iron sights will do fine.

I’m still undecided between the sky and the tracks. I want both, but that would be too costly. I’ll sleep on it for a while. In any case, I’ll let you know the final decision.

Many thanks to all of you,
Don meaker | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/20 2007
09:32 AM

I would  suggest a  nice self-loading rifle in .30 caliber.  You just about can’t go wrong with a Browning Automatic Rifle, but .30/06 is a marvelously adaptable cartridge, suitable for shooting invading  or retreating Wehrmacht, with lighter bullets suitable for smallish varments,  and with heavy  rounds  up to the largest game. 

Of c ourse Remington makes a  slightly  more  economical self-loading rifle too, and has for over 100 years. I understand there is a French company, whose initials are V-C but I can’t find a link to it just now. Darned things are pretty, but from what I recall of their price list,  rather dear.

 
2hotel9 | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/20 2007
07:52 PM

.30, in all its configurations, is the caliber of excellence. And of knocking shit down. Sorry, I have seen people take .223 hits to the torso and keep moving. That ain’t cool. Then again, it took 20 years to get me to carry a 9mm, and then only running 167gr jacketed hollowpoints. Uncouth, uncivilized and unrepentant.
SPQR | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/21 2007
12:31 AM

For a hunting rifle, you can’t go wrong with a Remington 700.  Given that you are in Europe, I’m not sure of the regulations on ammunition you must meet, so either .308 Winchester or .30-06 ( long action version ) are probably your best choices.

 

If you want a fun target rifle, here’s a unique suggestion: how about a surplus Swiss K31 rifle?  Probably the most accurate as issued military service rifle.  It would be in 7.5 x 55 but just pop over the Alps and pick up some.  The Swiss GP11 issue round can be found in surplus form from the ‘80’s and its still astonishingly accurate.
G.W.C. | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/23 2007
07:44 AM

Well, I’m a gunsmith, and very opiniated, so here’s my opinion.

If you go for a lever action i’d suggest the Marlin 336 in 30-30. If you go for a Winchester instead, try to get one that is older than 1964, or newer than 1984, Winchester changed a few things during that period(stamped sheet metal lifter for example), if you can’t find one that old and have to buy a newer one, HAVE THE LIFTER REPLACED IMMEDIATELY!

Bolt action: Remington 700 or a Savage, enough said. 22-250 is a good all around cartridge, or a .308.

Automatic: Stoner AR-10 (SR-25) 7.62x51(.308).

But, all that depends on what they’ll let you own there.

By the Way, I’d go with the skydiving.
G.W.C. | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/24 2007
07:14 AM

Inscription: Nemo me impune lacessit. "No one provokes me without punishment." You gotta love Poe.
floridasuzie | 1 year, 3 months ago
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09/24 2007
12:46 PM

Inscription: >Nemo me impune lacessit. "No one provokes me without punishment." You gotta love Poe.<

GWC,

Oohh, good one! I love Poe!
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