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Papertiger | 4 years, 10 months ago
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10/24 2003
12:19 PM

I’ve been a reader of LGF for a long time. I’ve seen these pictures pile up. Eventually the stack got too high so he made a slide show.  Every other day another would come it . Lately not so many since the IDF started their open season on Hamas, there has been a scarcity. I guess Mom and Dad have other things to worry about rather then dressing up their little ones in bomb vests and hand grenades.


Mashiki | 4 years, 10 months ago
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10/25 2003
12:50 AM

I’ve always known this to be true and I’ve seen pictures like this before.  But everytime I see these types of pictures it makes me question humanity and how we can allow them to continue.  It makes me ill.


Joe | 4 years, 10 months ago
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10/25 2003
10:47 AM

I am an Arab and I somewhat agree with what you put on your website.  But, the thing that I hate is that when stuff like this is actually posted on the internet, it makes all Arabs look bad.  I do not like the fact that your website WILL make people hate Arabs more.  That’s not fair. I do not carry an AK-47 and kill people.  Hence, you must also look at why the kids have guns.  If the Israeli gov’t didn’t steal land and illegally demolish houses with bulldozers, then you wouldn’t have parents and their kids with guns.  What about the American lady that visited Israel and stood in front of the house of an Arab resident that was about to get demolished to stop the Israeli gov’t from running over it?  The Israeli gov’t ran over her, an AMERICAN (and they knew it), and the house, and they didn’t get in trouble for it by the U.S.  It was talked about briefly in the news and that’s it. NOW, that’s BULLSHIT. You see kids &arents with guns because they are giving a sign saying, they are not going to give up.  They are not going to put up with Israel’s bullshit government. It’s not even a gov’t. It’s a dictatorship.  Remember, kids only started having guns when Israel started to kill Arabs, steal land, and rename Palestine to Israel (ever since everything started in 1948). Before that, there was peace.  By the way, it was Palestine before Israel. If you read up on your history, it was Palestine 2,000 years before the Bible was even created. Yes, Arabs (not all of them) do things that are wrong like bomb buildings, etc. But, you have to ask yourself, what led them to do that?  It is because they can’t live their own lives the way they used to. Israel’s gov’t does not care for Arabs and kills them all the time.  Israel is stuck so far up U.S.’s ass, that the U.S. only gives them a slap on the wrist no matter what Israel does wrong. If Israel wasn’t soo selfish in 1948 when they wanted to steal Palestine, then none of this shit would have happened.  LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THE SITUATION!!!!


the dissident frogman | 4 years, 10 months ago
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10/25 2003
11:50 AM
Comment 906

“Joe”:

I’ll try to make it simple considering that there’s very little substance in your naive (well, I hope it’s naive) diatribe - and I currently have little time to deal with naive diatribes:

The quote is from Golda Meir, and I believe she knew what she was talking about. Consequently, I’m not making, as you put it, “all Arabs look bad”: some Arabs make all Arabs look bad (even though the real issue is not so related to Arabs than it is to Muslims.) Those who put guns in the hands of children, explosive belts around their brainwashed youth, those who murder men, women and children simply because they’re Jews or Christians or “too” moderate Muslims, those who murder, rape and oppress other Arabs simply because they took the power by force and keep it the same way, those whose only aim in this life is to take over the world and force their religion upon it. Those who hijack airliners and use them as a weapon to perpetrate mass murder.

I’m just observing and waiting for an honest and firm condemnation of these thugs, by official and individuals in the Muslim world. I’m waiting for the people protesting in the streets to stop terrorism and oppression. I’m waiting for the uprising of Arab populations with the intent of toppling their tyrants, moving towards liberal democracy and take their place in the XXIth century as honored, respected and respectful members of the world community.

So far, I heard very little adversaries (they exist but their voices get lost) and too many virulent supporters.

Draw your own conclusions, but don’t come blaming me for the vision this community (at large) send back to the world.

I believe in individual responsibility “Joe”, so here’s something you may want to think about: you come here, feel concerned about the fact that you’re not carrying a gun and killing people and therefore don’t want to be assimilated with terrorists (which is all in your honor. Guess what? I feel the same pertaining to the 25% of the French who wished the victory of Saddam) yet, after this rightful concern you spend the rest of your (long) rant justifying terrorism and child abuses. Now… Who do you think is making Arabs look bad? And what do you think YOU can do? Keep championing terrorism or join me and denounce it unconditionally? Food for thought “Joe”.

About this whole Israel/Palestine issue, my thought in a few words:

End terrorism. Then we’ll talk. Period.

I take it the “American lady” you mention is our silly spiteful friend Corrie. I’m sorry “Joe” but you hit the wrong place if you thought you could impress me with such an argument. Get your facts straight: the Palestinian propaganda has been debunked, this was an accident. I couldn’t say it was a sad accident though.

If you want my intimate conviction on this, I’d say the “lady” got what she looked for - and somehow, what she deserved. Period.

About history, “Joe” you could use some extra classes. Particularly on the Bible issue. Also, you may want to check this. Could help you a lot:http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/meaning.html

Finally - and that’s what sickens me the most, to be honest - you apparently failed to read the content of the post or get the point. Let me summarize:

Nothing - I do mean NOTHING AT ALL - justifies dressing a baby in camo and hang up a hand-grenade around his or her neck. Nothing.

And THAT’S not something I’m going to argue about or take back.


Captain Ed | 4 years, 10 months ago
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10/25 2003
03:05 PM

Let me rebut the one argument you missed from Joe, DF:

Israel is a dictatorship?  Hmm.  If so, it’s the first one where they hold regular elections, have multiple political parties (including one representing Israeli Arabs), power changes between political parties as a result of these elections, and legislate through a Parliament.  Also, it’s the first one that has a free press and a free-market economy.

Now, let me count how many Arab countries have any of these.

Wait ... I’m still trying to think of one.  Oh—wait—one Arab country is having municipal elections.  For the first time.  Ever.  Other than that, a great big goose egg.

You want Arabs to have a better image?  They need to quit blowing up civilians in shopping centers and buses, and the ones that don’t do that need to quit being apologists for the ones that do.  And how about learning a little history, while you’re at it?  The Arabs used Palestine as an invasion point against Israel in 1948 and again in 1967.  Maybe if they’d just left Israel alone, the Palestinians wouldn’t have the problems they do now.  Spouting anti-Semitic slurs and paranoid conspiracuy theories don’t help the Arab public image, either.


the dissident frogman | 4 years, 10 months ago
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10/25 2003
03:27 PM
Comment 908

Captain Ed:

Agreed fully. But to be honest, I don’t even take up those kinds of arguments anymore and I willingly ignored it this time as well.

I now have a zero tolerance policy for empty imprecations.

Israel is a dictatorship, Bush=Hitler, etc., etc., etc. &d nauseam: this is complete nonsense, vacuous “catchy” sentences only good to enliven anti-war protests and anti-globo summits.

In any decent debate, you have to set some limits below which it’s worthless to argue. It’s OK to debunk them on moral grounds, but when they come up with pure inventions, made up “facts” or wishful thinking such as this one, well… I have neither time nor patience to play kid’s games with them on their senseless propaganda.

Having said that, I’m glad you did. Considering how some people tend to believe the last one who talked, it’s probably worth answering such obvious lies – not to convince the preacher, as he won’t listen anyway, but to impede the conversions.

It’s just that I feel so tired sometimes…


Papertiger | 4 years, 10 months ago
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10/25 2003
09:59 PM

Captain Ed &.F.Your both better men then I.  Right after I read, {Hence, you must also look at why the kids have guns. } , Joe lost my interest altogether.


eric | 4 years, 9 months ago
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10/26 2003
08:24 PM

With reference to Joe’s post, I believe he is rehashing Palestinian propaganda when he says that Palestine existed 2000 years before Israel.  At various times, I have read Palestinian claims that they are the descendants of the pre-Hebrew indigenous peoples of Palestine/Israel--Philistines, from whom the name Palestine may be derived, and Canaanites--whereas the Jews are merely usurpers.  There is no legitimate scholarship that supports this propaganda.  In fact, at least two genetic studies indicate a close relationship between Palestinian Arabs and Jews based on non-recombinant Y-Chromosome haplotypes (i.e. paternal inheritance).  The likelihood is that the current-day Palestinians are largely descendants of those Jews who had not already formed communities outside of Judea between the 1st century BC and 1st century AD and who did not leave Judea after either the conquest of Vespasian and Titus or the Bar Kokhba rebellion.  They converted to Islam (and absorbed some new population elements represented by specific southern Arab Y-chromosome haplotypes not found in Jewish populations) with the Arab conquest of the Levant.


rafi | 4 years, 9 months ago
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10/28 2003
02:20 AM

eric… interesting theory…

now my dear frogman… regarding the flash… the black / white colors and the excesive movement i think make this flash somewhat more difficult to visually “enjoy” than the previous 2 that you authored.

nevertheless I am keeping it for now on my page (as I do with the other 2), and will see how I feel about it in a few days…

rafihttp://trafael.tripod.com(add /iraq.html to see the other 2 flashes)


daniel | 4 years, 8 months ago
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12/01 2003
09:57 PM

I got a joke for all of you… what started the Middle East conflict? Sharon and Arafat arguing over the best way to blow up a bus full of school children.

Both sides are guilty of horrid acts apon humanity. If the IDF pulled out of Palestine there would still be war. If the acts of terror against Israelis stopped there would still be war. Why? The Palestinians have no reason to trust Israel and vice versa. The only end to violence is for Israel and Palestine to grow up, stop acting like kindergarteners, and learn to share. For starters, IMHO, I would stop the building of the wall. Did man learn anything from the Berlin Wall?

He who renders warfare fatal to all engaged in it will be the greatest benefactor the world has yet known.—Sir Richard Burton


the dissident frogman | 4 years, 8 months ago
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12/02 2003
05:35 AM
Comment 913

Well… I quite don’t see the pertinence of your point I’m afraid.

The issue at hand has nothing to do with “trust” or child plays - but I feel honestly tired to go on and on such basic points.

Equating the IDF to Arafat’s death squads is not only morally wrong but also utterly nonsensical. Put a stop on moral equivalence and take 5 seconds to consider the following: if the Israeli government and the IDF were using the same methods and following the same goals as the Palestinians, do you honestly believe there would still be one single Palis ALIVE?

Kind of doubtful if you ask me.

Anyway, all I can possibly answer to somebody coming up with naive statements such as “Hamas terrorists should grow up and learn to share” is a deep and disillusioned *sigh*.

What’s the weather like in Dreamland today?

Finally, I don’t know about you, but as a French who grew up under NATO’s protection, I did learn one thing from the Berlin Wall: it was certainly a hard price to pay for the Berliners, who were on the frontline, but it saved Western Europe from the Communist horror.

If anything, it was a clear statement: stop here or face the consequences.

And I’m still here to tell you that it worked.


Chaya Eitan | 4 years, 7 months ago
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12/27 2003
11:40 AM

Frogman: THANK YOU for being here on the Internet!


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What did your child dress up as for Halloween?
The dissident frogman's latest banner features the most frightening costumes in the world: Why are they so frightening? Because they're real....Go read it all...
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This about sums it up...
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Peace And Hate
The Dissident Frogman posts on the the depravity of putting guns and bombs into the hands of your own 5-year-old and training him to kill, or especially to commit suicide: In my book, anybody putting a gun in the handsGo read it all...
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Thanks to the dissident frogman....Go read it all...
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This via the dissident frogman....Go read it all...
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PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE
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