Where did you hear that wonderful song? I remember it from my childhood, but I thought suicidal gestures for the elementary school set had gone completely out of fashion.
November 14, 2003 06:13 PM
Never had the pleasure to hear it I'm afraid.
But this is where our collective transnational electronic memory, blankly called "the Internet" comes in handy.
I guess I just Googled my way to your childhood and found that little gem.
Pop goes the weasel. Perfect match. I just couldn't believe my eyes.
the dissident frogman |
November 14, 2003 06:30 PM
To Dominique de Villepin: Votre mère était un porc, et votre père était perverti.
November 15, 2003 04:11 AM
There was a time when France thought freedom worth fighting for. She sent 10,000 of her sons to fight in the American Revolution. Thousands of them died in that struggle to be free. That was then, this is now.
Unless you are extending that hand to wipe Chirac's spittle off the face of Lady Liberty, suggest you keep your hads to yourself de Villepin.
Valerie. the other |
November 15, 2003 11:20 AM
Has anyone here read De Villepin's poetry? Personally, I rather listen to Stone Phillips read "The Story Of O" than put myself through that horror.
Ms. Andi |
November 15, 2003 04:30 PM
A most excellent and inspired posting, Great FoW...a classic really, one of your best. I sincerely hope that you and the like-minded citizens of your once-great republic will be able to reclaim your land and send those who would deter you packing off to, oh, I dunno, Belgium or something. (not to imply that you would forcibly send them there, but rather anticipating that they would flee on their own accord, the bureaucracy being so convivial.) Or they could come to the states and register as democrats. No, I'd rather not even kid about that. You are courageous, gifted, and astute, and if it were in my power I'd make you an honorary U.S. citizen. (Actually, I know a senator so let me get back to you on that one. You and Winston Churchill sharing the same honor...I may be a little ahead of the curve on this matter but not, I trust, by much.) Anyway, I'll be back to click on paypal unless I discover you're independently wealthy.
November 15, 2003 10:34 PM
Nice to see a fellow European taking a stand for America.
November 17, 2003 01:06 AM
Yet more Americans dying for nothing, I don't care about Iraqis I care about Americans - bring our boys home. If you think Iraq will ever be a democracy you need a lesson in Middle East politics.
November 17, 2003 12:01 PM
>> "If you think Iraq will ever be a democracy you need a lesson in Middle East politics."
I therefore assume you induce that the Iraqis are a people of natural born slaves. You probably need a lesson in behavioral science and moral philosophy.
>> "Yet more Americans dying for nothing,"
Die for nothing really? Allow me to disagree.
Unlike you, they were masters of their fate in the army of free men of the longest lasting democracy, under attack by a terrorism that is but the vanguard of an insidious tyranny. Unlike you, they chose to fight back, at all cost. Unlike you, they understood that freedom shall never be taken for granted and they decided to take the burden of defending it. Unlike you, they understood that at the turn of this century, the same kind of totalitarianism that their elders crushed repeatedly is on the rise again, and determined to destroy America and the fundamental values of civilization she stands for. Unlike you, they gave everything to ensure that their parents and grand-parents’ sacrifice wasn’t vain.
Who the hell are you to call that “nothing” and to criticize their commitment?
If you think America will ever be safe if her boys stop hunting her enemies down, you also need a lesson in history.
That includes recent history. Like two years back from now for instance.
But then, maybe that's precisely what you wish for?
That said, in my book you have the right to disagree. Voice your opposition to the politicians, to the diplomats, to the government at your heart’s content. You will be morally wrong as far as I’m concerned (And that’s to say the least. You don’t want to hear what I would really think about you), since I have no consideration whatsoever for people who spend more energy to oppose democracies and democrats than they do for dictatorships and terrorists. But nobody should take that right away from you.
Yet when it comes to the brave men and women who put their lives in the balance to defend that right, the very least you can do is disagree silently and pay some respect to them.
Yes, I do mean “Shut up and salute.”
One last thing: since you called them "our" boys, I take it you're an American expat in the French speaking part of Canada right?
Because your IP shows that you’re posting from Montreal.
No big surprise that you're so keen on bringing Americans home. Must be awful down there.
the dissident frogman |
November 17, 2003 01:25 PM
>Unlike you, they were masters of their fate in the army of free men >of the longest lasting democracy, under attack by a terrorism that is >but the vanguard of an insidious tyranny. Unlike you, they chose to >fight back, at all cost.
I was an Officer in the Armed forces; I served in the first Gulf War (with the 2nd ACR) and we were the first in Bosnia in 1995 (1/4 Cav) while you French had your thumbs up your asses - so save the lecture and patronizing, been there, done that. I don't need a lesson in modern warfighting least of all from you. I know about sacrifice and I know BS when I see it. The current mission has merde all over it.
We will win the "war on terror" just like we won the "war on drugs", the "war on poverty" etc As Sun Tzu succintly put it; "know thy enemy" - if the enemy is terror then you better dig in 'cause terror is a strategy in itself as old as combat.
>One last thing: since you called them "our" boys, I take it you're an >American expat in the French speaking part of Canada right?
>Because your IP shows that you’re posting from Montreal.
>No big surprise that you're so keen on bringing Americans home. >Must be awful down there.
LOL actually i'm a tax compliance attorney, do you know what that is DF? If you do it would come as no surprise that I work on both sides of the border. In case you didn't know it business is brisk between the US and our largest trading partner - Canada, and I have to take care of all my clients - both American and Canadian. Like every free market capitalist I appreciate free trade and I hate wasting my time.
Dan - who lives in the real world
November 17, 2003 02:14 PM
Agreed. More than you can imagine.
>>[ I was an Officer in the Armed forces; I served in the first Gulf War (with the 2nd ACR) and we were the first in Bosnia in 1995 (1/4 Cav)]
Well of course. And I’m General Sanchez, blogging from Baghdad and posturing as a French just to confuse the enemy.
You may very well be what you claim you are “Officer Dan”, but in my experience the Internet is full of frauds ready to profess any assertion to justify their position. Lately, it’s been crowded with Vets from the first Gulf War with a Yahoo email address and a big problem with America.
If all you have to back up your position is this kind of claim, then I suggest you start addressing me General Sir.
At any rate, I still don’t see how the fact that you MIGHT have been in the Army, that you MIGHT have served in Iraq and Bosnia and that you end up having a problem with this decision of yours, allows you to criticize the choices of those who MIGHT be your brothers and sisters in arms.
On the very contrary, I guess that’s another good reason to show some respect, isn’t it?
>>[while you French had your thumbs up your asses]
You’re preaching a converted here, Officer Dan. Just telling you this in case that was supposed to infuriate me: it's not. I fully and heartily agree with you on this one.
In fact, if you take the time to think instead of posturing as Officer Dan, you should be able to discern that this snide remark of yours illustrate precisely what I mean and what you oppose.
How odd, isn’t it?
>>[ - so save the lecture and patronizing, been there, done that.]
Yet, IF you did indeed (remember I’m General Sanchez), you could probably add: understood nothing.
And since you apparently slipped on the central problem (that was “spending more energy to blame democracies than dictatorships” and "spitting on those who stand for the defense of the firsts") I think I’m not going to cut on the lecture and patronizing anytime, thank you.
>>[I don't need a lesson in modern warfighting least of all from you. I know about sacrifice and I know BS when I see it. The current mission has merde all over it.]
You do need a lesson in modern war fighting, particularly from me. You don’t know about sacrifice and you don’t know about BS when you see it. The current mission has no merde written all over it.
See Officer Dan? I can do gratis assertions too. Care to reason and demonstrate or you’ll just stick to Saturday night whisky bar chitchat in Montreal?
>>[We will win the "war on terror" (...) if the enemy is terror then you better dig in 'cause terror is a strategy in itself as old as combat.]
Yeah right. Please allow me to paraphrase you: “Yawn”.
I’m afraid that sticking to that argument (“terrorism is a method, not the enemy”) will not get you very far. We’re already past it and I suggest you stop haunting “democratic underground” and such places where the same truisms and other tautologies are muttered ad nauseam.
Indeed, we still have to hear what you can propose to solve the slight problem of people whose only goal in this life is to kill or convert the rest of the world, by any possible means, including flying airliners into skyscrapers.
In case you didn’t notice, the enemy has been quite precisely designated. Remember that Axis of Evil thing? Remember these Al-Qaeda and Al-Whatever fellows?
These are not strategies Officer Dan, these are targets.
Isn’t it strange that a former Army man such as yourself can’t tell a target when a thumbs up (wherever) French sees one? How would you explain that, Officer “Art of War” Dan?
LOL ? What kind of veteran officer/lawyer are you? The 16 years old I-hate-my-parents genre?
>>[Like every free market capitalist I appreciate free trade and I hate wasting my time.]
Well that’s a relief to see that you’re not one of those stinky pinkos from the Great North then. I guess we should be grateful that you found the time nonetheless to read this blog, comment twice, and enlighten us with these captivating and extensive details of your adventurous life as a nomadic capitalist lawyer in the North American trade sphere.
Not that it was exactly the main issue but I guess we can’t blame you from dropping the ball on those that feel uncomfortable to argue.
>>[Dan - who lives in the real world]
We all do, Officer Dan. But some of us are watchful while some others are blind.
Bonne nuit Officer Dan, good night.
As long there are uniforms that guard us while we sleep, you're safe.
the dissident frogman |
November 17, 2003 03:51 PM
>>but in my experience the Internet is full of frauds
And the pot said to the kettle; you're black. For all we know you could be a sociology graduate on the public dole. My advice, get a real job like the rest of us, pay your absurd taxes and quit whining about the French - its futile.
Officer Dan |
November 17, 2003 04:43 PM
<<[And the pot said to the kettle; you're black. For all we know you could be a sociology graduate on the public dole. ]
And that's precisely the main difference between you and me: I'm not trying to impress my audience or legitimize my position based on blunt assertions with whatever status a job, title or rank would confer me.
Unlike you, reportedly "Officer in the Army hence-I know-better-than-you".
What if I told you "I'm Allah, hence I speak the truth"? Or for that matter, "I am indeed General Sanchez, therefore I know a lot more about the current situation in Iraq than you, no matter if you served in Bosnia or not?"
No, no, no Officer Dan, I'll use no prestigious titles, no "Dr. Dissident”, not "Master Frogman”, no "the dissident frogman PhD", no "I-am-qualified-to-think-what-I-think-because-I-graduated-here-and-there."
All you'll have to deal with is my personal opinion, raw and uncut, clear from any social influence and expressed as limpidly as I can.
All you have to confront - and all you repeatedly chose to avoid - are my thoughts. The very fact that you don't know if these are coming out of a stableboy's mind or a Doctor in Sociology's brain shall precisely set both of us free from the aforementioned social pressure.
Now that's fair competition isn't it?
Yet you've been doing nothing but skipping across the surface of the argument like a flung stone. 1, 2 and now 3 in ever shortening leaps, with less to answer each time, falling back gradually on the most trivial points.
Do you really believe, therefore, that I'm going to take any advice from somebody like you?
Sorry Officer, I guess I'll go back to the stable, I have work to do and taxes to pay.
Having said that, I’m glad to see that the “brisk business between the US and your largest trading partner – Canada” as well as “the care you have to take of all your clients” still gave the opportunity to a “free market capitalist” who “appreciate free trade” and “hate wasting his time”, such as yourself, to come back in these humble pages for a third time, and delight our lost souls with pearls of wisdom such as “And the pot said to the kettle; you're black.”
Thank you for sacrificing your valuable time, proving us that the Evil Filthy Capitalists do have a heart deep under their big wallets.
P.S.: Officer Dan, if you’d been anything else but a passerby in this place, you would know what I am doing to pay my taxes.
Now let's see if the Great North Capitalist Frenzy will leave you idle enough to come back for a 4th turn.
the dissident frogman |
November 17, 2003 06:00 PM
Dan, if you served, thank you for your time. I am glad that you were able to return home and create a successful, and I hope, happy life. Others who saw Desert Storm and Bosnia, did not.
I supported the men and women who served nobly in those actions just as much as I do those now serving in Iraq. That you served may give you insight, but it does not giant you dispensation to demean their service by calling it :dying for nothing." They know the fight is there, so it need not be here. It is on the streets of Bagdad, so it need not be on my street. And for their duty and sacrifice I will ever, be grateful.
Valerie, the other |
November 17, 2003 10:27 PM
Thanks for the nice comments Valerie. I will never support our current endeavour in Iraq, not until they prove the threat that was posed before the war amounted to casus belli. The current adminstration told us that there were WMD's in Iraq, where are they? Why are our soldiers dying? Soldiers that had implicit faith in the decisions made by the President and their superior officers?
November 18, 2003 12:32 AM
Do you honestly believe someone would make the kind of commitment of men and materiel to battle in Iraq with nothing more than an axe to grind about on attack on daddy? What kind of logic is this?? I remind you we live in a republic, not a monarchy, and our Prez's word is not God-given holy writ. There is a system of checks and balances and they work. Have done so for a little over 200 years now. How dare you accuse "our boys" of being there without a cause! How shallow. How callous. How would you have felt, in the heat of battle, "knowing" the folks back home felt you were an idiot for being over there? More to the point, remember that it was precisely because we had the screaming LLL pull you boys out of Iraq in Gulf I that we had to return this time. You guys weren't allowed to finish the job.
I am forever grateful to those who have chosen to serve to protect us here at home. Thank you for having served; but I am appalled at your ungracious lack of support for the current troops' mission.
(And as for Quebec: there's a reason the French ditched it all those years ago. They don't want it back now either. Just ask.)
Bloggez dessus, M. Homme-Grenouille Dissident....
julie de maupin |
November 18, 2003 03:01 AM
Did you think the men and women who died in Desert Storm did so for nothing? Though I disagreed with President Clonton's dicision to bomb the Serbs and send troops to the historic mess that is the Balkans, I supported, and still do, the Americans serving there. Never would I say they are doing so for nothing.
You state that you do not care about Iraqis (and thus also the Kurds). Why are they any less deserving of the chance to live in peace and freedom than the Kuwaitis and the Bosnians? They are not. Should our troops be pulled before the job is done, that would most certainly reduce their sacrifice to "nothing".
Again, to all verterans and active service personnel, thank you for safeguarding our coutnry and for defending our freedoms. But that service does not entitle one to shut down discussion with one who is in opposition to your point of view by weilding that experience as a trump card. For if experience is the only criteria to be able to express an opinion, than all those braying in the streets of London should be told that their opinion is of no validity as well.
Valerie, the other |
November 18, 2003 03:05 PM
So, Dan, your solution would be to bring the soldiers home?
Wouldn't that mean the dead have died for nothing? That must be what you want. 'Cause that is not what is happening.
And what is the solution? Leave Iraq for Saddam or Al Qaeda? We are in for it now whether you agreed with the rationale or not. So, we either win or we pull out and run home.
I lost a good friend there on Memorial Day. Major Mat Schram believed in what he was doing and he believed in President Bush. He would tell you that he did not die for nothing. As a matter of fact, Mat Schram would probably tell you that you are wrongfully misguided. http://www.blackfive.net/main/2003/06/major_mathew_sc.html
I would tell you that you are full of crap.
November 18, 2003 08:29 PM
I guess you are very comfortable there in Quebec, trading with clients. quebec such a provintial place, what kinda people wanna be like french?, if you are born in Paris, what can you do? But a french wannabe is completely a madman.
Look, Spaniards have been suffering french unmoral foreign policies for yeras, thanks to them, we still have basq terrorism, they put the bombs in spain and they leave to france again, where they enjoy of impunity and nice wine, nice cheese, and nice nihilist people like them.
we don't lose time with froggys, froggys make us lose time with them.
the spanish usa supporter |
December 3, 2003 12:32 PM